We then fired both sets of 5 rounds and recorded the pressure and velocity for each round. The bbl I have coming is an 8 twist, so the 95's are out of the question. Zeiss Conquest V6 3-18x50mm (30mm tube) That is pure energy being released into the chuck when the bullet hit (1237 foot pounds of energy). I tried contacting Hornady for starting load data but was told they simply have no data for the 22 Creed. I have shot the swift for many years. So, there's a plethora of good . https://forum.snipershide.com/threads/22-creedmoor.6255624/. Bullet Choices for 22 Creedmoor The 22 Creedmoor will likely be 1-8" twist, for the windy days and 243AI will be fast twist to hit 'em hard in close. (Photo: L.P. Brezny). The long draw allowed incoming dogs to enter from either side, as we were using crosswind calling techniques. As the .22 Creedmoor has grown in popularity, so has the number of companies that produce components and rifles designed for, and chambered in, the new caliber. Magnum primers increased our velocity, on average, by 25 fps, #2. With the idea of staying with heavy bullets of 70 to 88 grains or even more, the 1:7-inch twist rate is a natural regardless of weather, altitude or other related conditions that change bullet performance and seems like a reasonable approach to the new round. Need assistance? One of my closest friends has a custom rifle chambered in 6.5x280AI (yes, a wildcat of a wildcat - he's a velocity fein). Peterson Cartridge is committed to supporting its customers. Cartridges Abbreviated By Manufacturer: (C) = CCI; (H) =Hornady; (R) = Remington; (W) = Winchester. This was resolved by modifying the magazine lips by slightly opening them (see image). Horizon Firearms, located in College Station, Texas, produces some of the finest bolt action firearms on the market today. We took the different bullet and powder combinations and loaded them up to the SAAMI Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) for the 6.5 Creedmoor and 6 Creedmoor cartridges, which is 62,000 psi. KEL-TEC SUB-2000 Grip Frame Options & Magazine Options Explained, KEL-TEC Installation Service for M*CARBO Parts, Trajectory Chart 17 HMR, 17 HM2, 22 LR, 22 WMR. For reference, note that, after we gathered all of our test data, we searched popular internet forums to gather information about loads that shooters were currently using in their .22 Creedmoor rifles. The .22 Creedmoor is an excellent varmint round, for both small, to larger coyote sized animals. My groups varied from 0.95 down to 0.50 in ideal conditions. Impressive what heavy 22 cal bullets can do. The following loads were not tested for accuracy or consistent velocity but are just reference points for you to use when working up your own loads. Bullet choice became more excruciating. Longer, thinner barrels will be affected by heat and will tend to . Anybody have any suggestions on starting loads in the 75- 80.5 gr. The Bullet Ballistic Coefficient for CCI Stinger Ammo is .084 compared to the BC of the Remington Golden Bullet of .125. The Hornady 80-grain ELD Match enters the realm of true long-range territory, owing a .485 BC, and handily exceeding the .450 threshold I consider a touchstone for varmint shooting beyond 400 yards, especially when wind stirs. 22 LR Bullet Weight: Weight of the bullet in grains, there are 7000 grains in one pound; the abbreviation for grains is gr. I dont trust RL26 anymore because of this. Why then is the new cartridge not being offered in a factory loaded round yet? In some instances, the velocity SD and ES might improve or worsen, depending on where you are in relation to a consistent velocity node in your particular rifle. John has really stepped up for the .22 Creedmoor community by producing a great set of reloading dies which work well with our, and others, .22 Creedmoor casings. To illustrate this difference, we loaded 5 casings with large rifle magnum primers. While doing my initial testing, I tried various powders, including Varget, IMR 4166 Enduron and H4350. The 22 Creedmoor will come standard with a 1-in-7-inch fast-twist barrel, and combined with the increased volume inside its case, you can push those long pills over at 3,450 feet per second! Enter the 22 Creedmoor as an AT&T long distance fur harvesting system. As with any new wildcat cartridge, its difficult to determine where actual maximum loads lay without the benefit of pressure equipment, or at least factory ammunition to use as a baseline for measured case expansion. Shooters World Long Rifle, using loads developed on QuickLoad by Rob Behr, proved pretty consistent, the best group resulting from 35 grains at 2,960 fps (.46-inch); 37 grains at 3,132 fps produced a .50-inch group with a 12-fps extreme velocity spread. Fireformed Remington .22-250 AI brass holds 50.5 grains of water and a new Hornady .22 CM case 51.0 grains. To help our customers, and anyone else who shoots .22 Creedmoor, we decided to create and distribute this data sheet. My average shot on coyotes is between 200 and 300 yards and about the same on crows. Hegstrom skim bedded the recoil-lug area (The stock included a precise aluminum bedding block and didnt require full-blown glass bedding. With a rifling twist rate of 1:7, bullets up to 85/90 grains become viable in my .22 CM. The 6.5 Creedmoor is now one of the most popular cartridges chambered in factory rifles. The other that stands out, is at 6:32 in the video. At the time of this writing, there isnt a factory rifle in the new hot rod super .22, but hang on as I believe that is just around the corner. If you watch the video carefully, you will see that the bullet completely opens up the rockchuck, causing immense damage, killing it instantly. Again, these loads are just designed to give shooters information regarding what velocity a bullet and powder charge combination will produce given the SAAMI Maximum Average Pressure (MAP) of 62,000 psi. Reference the Bullet Ballistic Coefficient Chart above. Muzzle velocity changes per inch of barrel length ranged from 6 ft/sec per inch between 20 and 19 inches to 63 ft/sec per inch between 19 and 18 inches. The only changes Ive encountered in handloading for this cartridge was with my second test rifle a scratch-build custom from Satterlee Arms in Deadwood, South Dakota. No worries bud. 100% of them were killed with this CZ Model 550 .22 Creedmoor build. Soon after that there was a soft but distinct snapping sound in the dead still morning air of a suppressed shot. The Satterlee Arms builds are ultra-high-performance rifles. With a rifle zeroed at 50 yards this 22lr bullet drop chart shows how each cartridge compares at distances of 75 yards, 100 yards, 150 yards and 200 yards. The R17 gave me everything I was looking for and availability at the time was not an issue. BTHP 80289 2960 2697 2449 2215 1993 1786 1323 1098 906 741 600 482 -1 517 0-7 -22 -454 M 223 Rem 73 gr. Loren Lunsford 2023 Grand View Outdoors All Rights Reserved Please check out his website at https://www.whiddengunworks.com/. All at once there was the crack of a fast-moving bullet almost crossing straight down the draw we were covering. Recoil developed by the 22 Creedmoor is negligible. The 22 Creedmoor is a wildcat caliber you get by necking down a 6.5mm Creedmoor to .22 cal. Will Chambers Add two grains of powder and velocity increases to 3,400 fps. Along with more than 25 other calibers, Peterson Cartridge now offers casings in 6.5 Creedmoor, 6 Creedmoor, .25 Creedmoor, and .22 Creedmoor. |, Incoming Robin Hood Video: Archer James Jeans Most Dangerous Trick Shot, Video: Hunting Winter Coyotes With a Longbow, Headrest Safe From the Headrest Safe Company, Python Hunter Catches 28 in Florida Python Challenge. What kind of velocity are you guys getting with the 75s or 80s out of the Creedmoor? Some hunters make good use of it for deer hunting via pinpoint shot . . More research brought me to Reloder 17 powder. The pressure measured for each load was not meaningfully affected by this slight COAL shortening. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Of course you can neck down high-quality Lapua 6mm Creedmoor brass. Its what Ive done with 22 Dasher and 22x47L. Ranging back to me at the calling stand, the range finder returned 1,017 yards. You cannot be certain unless you run all of the different test combinations, and this limited test was just conducted for our own curiosity. ALL Bulletin content is copyrighted, 2023 AccurateShooter.com. Call our experts: (727) 223-1816 or visit support.mcarbo.com, Our 22LR ammo ballistics chart will give you the bullet ballistic coefficient, muzzle energy, muzzle velocity and bullet drop of 27 different .22LR rimfire cartridges. Only one of nine A-Tip loads printed groups larger than an inch, with one right at an inch. This leaves .22-250 Ackley Improved data as a viable starting point. Accuracy was good but there was no speed with it. Increasing that charge to 42 grains resulted in 3,443 fps, but a larger .66-inch group with a slightly lower extreme velocity spread. Those loads also used the 80-grain Berger VLDs and are somewhat of a copy of Smiths handload. Reloading- What pressure signs do you stop at. I just loaded some testers with the 80.5 with 40 grains of H4350 and did 5 groups of five rounds. My obsessions lean heavily to burrowing rodents or predators willing to investigate the morbid cries of dying bunnies. Im going to find a CZ Model 550 and do a .22 Creedmoor build with it as the donor rifle. Compare .22lr Ammo Ballistics between 27 different 22 lr cartridges. Along with his reloading dies, he also produces reloading tools and custom rifles. Again, every bit of energy from the bullet was released on impact. I have not grouped past 1,000 with that rifle yet though. My partner, Terry Fauth, the game keeper in the area for an outfit that raises ringneck roosters among other things, and I set up to cover about 500 yards of the shallow valley floor. Editors Note: I remember the conversation like it was yesterday. Hornady offers the bullets, cases and dies. All powders tested shot close to or less than .5 MOA with at least one combination. That proves out how flat the trajectory is with this cartridge/bullet combo. Generally the heavier and faster the bullet the more damage it will do to the intended target. My first was chambered in Rugers Precision Rifle topped with a Vortex Optics Viper PST 6-24x 50mm scope. Fundamentally, we believe that reducing/slowing the twist rate in your rifle (e.g. In particular, their 77 Gr SMK, 80 Gr SMK, 90 Gr SMK, and 95 Gr SMK are great. John Whidden produces some of the most precise and well-built custom reloading dies you can purchase. Primal Rights has been a big proponent of the .22 Creedmoor since before consumers were able to purchase properly headstamped .22 Creedmoor brass. I don't have my 22 CM yet, but I do have a 6CM and tried rl 26 with the 115's. I did try h4350 in a ladder test and it seemed to have promising results. This .39-inch, five-shot 100-yard group resulted from 41 grains of IMR-4955 Enduron powder beneath a Hornady 80-grain ELD Match bullet. I started with 77-grain bullets and went to 90, where I entered ballistic-coefficients normally found in heavier 6mm bullets. SAAMI test data confirms 6.5 mm Creedmoor, 15 feet (4.6 m) from muzzle, velocity of 2,940 ft/s (896 m/s) for the 129-grain bullet and 2,690 ft/s (820 m/s) for the 140-grain bullet (which compares to .300 Winchester Magnum data of 2,930 ft/s (893 m/s) for a 200-grain bullet and 2,665 ft/s (812 m/s) for a 210-grain bullet). We increased the head hardness to tolerate higher pressures. You get 22-250 class velocities with a more modern cartridge design, and high-quality brass. The RLs you listed are probably too slow though. That said, we understand the technical audience for whom we are producing this data sheet. Patrick was curious to see if Hornadys 80-grain ELD Match might expand on smaller varmints. The ability of the heavy .224 bullets to retain both velocity and energy at long distances makes this cartridge a realistic deer and varmint rifle. Thanks! Will Chambers Please check out their article on the .22 Creedmoor here https://www.primalrights.com/library/cartridge-guides/22-creedmoor, and you can check out their website here http://www.primalrights.com/. Terry Fauth (left) and JimSmith called and dropped this coyote at 1,017 yards with Smith's custom 22 Creedmoor during bullet testing in central South Dakota. Is the KEL TEC SUB-2000 California legal. I doubted these bullets would expand on smaller burrowing rodents, but after shooting water-filled aluminum cans at 200 yards, that notion was erased. Noslers 85-grain RDF, with a .498 BC, is not a bullet likely to expand properly on small varmints, though it would make an ideal choice for shooting predators destined for the raw-fur market. The advent of the 6mm Creedmoor immediately had folks necking the hornady 6mm down to 22 cal and upon doing so found virtually the perfect case capacity for heavy weight .224 bullets. And what could you expect barrel life to be? I used RL26 almost exclusively and found it to be a little bit touchy. The 105-115 gr bullets they favor make it easier to see their impacts at long range. Bergers 90-grain VLD Target bullet shot from my .223 Remington AR-15 with a 1:7 twist has successfully killed everything from Wyoming long-range, windy-day prairie dogs to brush-country Texas hogs. Whether the .22 CM will ever go mainstream, I cannot guess, though the Creedmoor name does seem to carry considerable sway. Eld-x & m's shoot good in most but some guns hate them. In our opinion, the easiest way to avoid this problem is by not exceeding the established safe velocities we have listed above. _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-6323545-2']); Patrick shot this single ragged-hole group with Noslers 85-grain RDF over 40 grains of Alliant Reloder 23 during initial sighting in. When I had the opportunity to hold a 6mm Creedmoor next to a .22-250 Remington, my assumptions proved somewhat overblown. JavaScript is disabled. Without exception, with every single load tested, bolt lift was effortless and primers showed no sign of excessive pressure with any loads listed. Redding was kind enough to send us a full 3-die set for this reloading project. Please understand that the bullets and powders we chose to evaluate may not be the most popular among some shooters; however, our goal is to provide a wide spectrum of bullet weights and the powders used with them. 22 McGowan Barrel (5R 1:8 Twist) $500, Optic: The Kimber Open Country rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor wears a 24-inch barrel to wring every last bit of velocity from the cartridge. Bullet range? Many of the loads listed here were established by extrapolating .250 AI loads, with Rob Behr (formally of Western Powders) and the guys at Capstone Precision (Lapua/Berger/Vihtavuori) also running some QuickLoad software for me. There was a slight feeding issue, caused by the slightly less taper in the case, not allowing the cartridge to load properly with the control-feed action. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand that this is going to be the start of something big in the ammunition development industry. There is an excellent write-up in the GunsAmerica Digest about the 22 Creedmoor cartridge. Hang time from muzzle to target is very short. Eric Mayer, Overviews/Technical/Guns/Reloading: Wow that is awsome! Rl26 is you can find it. The first was for the coyotes and varmints previously mentioned. Rifle: If you have any other specific questions just let me know. Bryan Joey Fielder The latest generation in Remington Core-Lokt ammo is available with Remington Core-Lokt Tipped 6.5 Creedmoor 129 Grain Centerfire Rifle Ammo. Smith also made use of a factory load offered byCopper Creek Cartridge. I have not grouped past 1,000 with that rifle yet though. From the perspective of an obsessive varmint shooter, the resulting rifle is a thing of beauty. Every spring, he invites me over to his place to do some rockchuck management. Reviewer Jeff Cramblit built a 22 Creedmoor rifle and tested it with a variety of bullet weights. Still, finding .22 Creedmoor load data proved hit and miss with plenty of spooky loads floating around internet chatrooms. You must log in or register to reply here. Hornadys taking a long range shot at outgunning the .22 Swift. This data sheet will cover the .22 Creedmoor. Join other outdoor enthusiasts who already get great content delivered right to their inbox. Big magnums it's my go to powder. I currently have H-1000, H4831SC,and Retumbo on hand, as well as federal 210-m primers and virgin Hornady 22 Creed brass. I am just kind of getting in to "long" range. (a mix between hornady 22 creedmoor and gunwerks 22 creedmoor) All brass has been sized to 1.910" Primers- CCI Br-2 (LRP) All bullets have been seated .005 . Although H4350 works well in the .22 Creedmoor when using mid-weight bullets, it does tend to cause pressure spikesearlier than, say, RL26when you are using heavy-for-caliber bullets like the Sierra 90 grain and 95 grain MatchKing. Hi, Michael. Cache Carlson With a long . This is the first time Ive enjoyed the luxury of handpicking every component during a custom-rifle build, and Hegstrom is a true master. The custom Surgeon rifle featured a 22-inch barrel, and I decided to shoot the test without the suppressor attached (i.e. Nos BT or V-Max. 22 Creedmoor Brass from Peterson Cartridge It weighs 13.36 pounds with a Trijicon 4.5-30x 56mm AccuPower scope installed in 34mm Precision Hardcore Ranger Rings on a 20 MOA Tru Level Picatinny rail by the same maker. 22, 6mm and 2 6.5s. I run 77gr Sierra TMKs at 3640fps under 1/2 moa. One gong shoot competition and the 22 Creedmoor stole my heart. 17 Leonberg Road, Suite 100Cranberry Township, PA 16066. Now let's do one more head-to-head comparison, and that is simply the average muzzle velocity. To help our customers, and anyone else who shoots .22 Creedmoor, we decided to create this Data Sheet and distribute it. On the fresh snow, it was easy to observe them zig zagging along, but always heading at an angle toward Smiths call. 22 LR Muzzle Velocity: 22 long rifle muzzle velocity is the speed with which a bullet leaves the barrel measured in feet per second (FPS). That growth persists in 2020; the cartridge continues to gain currency with hunters and shooters alike. The cheetah might have a bit more horsepower depending on who's loading it, but the 22CM is an easy button in comparison. I had also discovered the .22-250 Ackley Improved closely mirrors the .22 Creedmoor (CM) dimensionally. That way, the only difference between the two sets of 5 rounds was the type of primer used. When taking a look at this new cartridge, its dead simple to handload and tends to outstretch the .22 Swift when ballistic comparisons are made. One of the better groups resulting from load testing of the .22 Creedmoor included 44.5 grains of Alliant Reloder 26 and Sierra 77-grain Tipped MatchKings. You must log in or register to reply here. Smith selected a very open section of rolling hills to make the first call. It has worked flawlessly for us so far. Shot 2 antelope with my 77gr TMK load last fall. Lets compare the CCI 22LR Stinger Ballistics to the Remington Golden Bullet 22LR Ballistics! FPS and bullet weight (grains) work together to create the rearward force that drive the weapon's cycling. Cliff T Although the CZ 550 I converted had a detachable box magazine (which are hard to find), I was able to still set the bullet depth at2.095 to the lands, then back-off at 50 thousandths and have them chamber with no issues. With its 55 grain or lighter bullet and laser-like trajectory, the 22-250 is a varmint round through and through. Reloder 26 is the clear winner here, providing both consistent accuracy, low extreme velocity spreads and top velocities. Only users with topic management privileges can see it. A full case of h1000 was around 3350 i believe and i think that was around 46grs. . The best A-Tip group, a .38-inch one-holer, resulted from 40.5 grains of IMR-4828ssc at 2,926 fps (23-fps extreme velocity spread). The first near .25-inch group resulted from 44.5 grains of Alliant Reloder 26 at 3,388 fps, which also included a single-digit extreme velocity spread. Thanks to everyone for all the guidance I appreciate it very much! Fast-forward almost a year and this rifle has become my favorite rifle to take hunting. Cache Carlson was on the phone and he was telling me about his next build. David Hillis, Jr. Yes sir. Speaking for all of us here at Varminter, we love Redding dies. We then tested those loads in our universal receiver so we could record a pressure for each load. . New, properly-headstamped brass was ordered from Hornady and was used in all loads. Just a note on the reloading dies I am using. This topic has been deleted. One way we support our customers is by producing the high-quality casings they have come to expect from us. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. But . Patricks .22 Creedmoor was built by Little Crow Gunworks on a Remington 700 action using a PROOF Research barrel and Stockys AccuBlock EuroMatch adjustable cheekpiece laminated stock. Ramshot Hunter Past experiences with Enduron powders mirror this experience, with groups often tightening as loads approach maximum. 22 Creedmoor Load Data Since its' inception, in 2007 by Hornady, the 6.5 Creedmoor has seen some pretty meteoric growth in popularity. My first kill was in a rocky area out in the desert near an alfalfa farm, where the farmer was having issues with the rockchucks coming in and eating/digging up his chip potato field. I expect vel. For example, shooting the 22 Creedmoor with a moderate handload and Hornadys 75-grain ELD, the bullet leaves the pipe at 3,200 fps and that is not on the hot side for this cartridge. I settled on the load that gave me the 0.50 groups at 3700 feet per second and proceeded to test bullet performance on some local rockchucks. Send your results to [email protected]! According to Derek Peterson, President of Peterson Cartridge, We decided to build the tooling to make our .22 Creedmoor brass in response to the uptick in long-distance predator and varmint hunting. This data sheet deals with the .22 Creedmoor. Starline 6mm Creedmoor Brass Large Primer, Zeiss Conquest V6 3-18x50mm (30mm tube), .17 Remington AR15 Project with Rockchuck and Thermal Coyote Hunts, The Mossberg 940 Pro Turkey Shotgun Perfect for Coyote Hunting, 2022 New Thermal and Night Vision Products from AGM Global Vision, Lithgow LA-101 Overview and Hunt Report 17HMR Series, Franklin Armory F17-L Review and Hunt Report, The New Steyr Arms Zephyr II Rimfire Rifle, Review of the Winchester 1885 Rifle in 17WSM with Hunt Report, Varminter Magazine Live Stream Q&A Rimfire Ammo 17WSM LF The Future of Varminter, ICOtec Game Callers New for 2023 Including Nightstalker+ and Rascal Bluetooth Game Call. I shot more than 20 rockchucks that first full day out at the ranch. However, the faster you push the bullets, the higher likelihood you will experience a problem with your bullets disintegrating in flight. Just because the casings can handle extra pressure, does not mean you should exceed recommended pressure standards. LEARN MORE about the 22 Creedmoor This hot rod of a .22-caliber barn burner is a tough nut to crack in terms of exactly what is the best barrel twist to use and where shooter requirements stand in the realm of bullet weights and design. While this certainly can be used for PRS and tactical competition, the 22 Creedmoor seems to be ideally suited as a high velocity varmint round something to replace the 22-250. It found favor among hunters and PRS competitors. I ran a pile of loads through my 22creed. I chose a completely random load of 41 grains of Vihtavuori N560 beneath this bullet. You are using an out of date browser. Barnes Vor-TX TTSX 6.5 Creedmoor Velocity Out of a Nosler Model 21 rifle that has a 22-inch Shilen barrel, this load had an average muzzle velocity of 2776 fps, with a standard velocity. Goodluck. 88s in mine were running 3550fps. Subscribe and Read More It was a sign of good things to come. I ran this brass through Hornadys Custom Grade full-length dies, uniformed necks on my old Lyman Universal trimmer and chamfered each mouth on Hornadys Lock-N-Load Case-Prep Trio. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. If you don't want to bring your iPad into the bathroom, we can send you a magazine subscription for free! A 22 Creedmoor for deer will work as well as any 6mm or 6.5mm caliber, and sometimes even beter out at longer distances. What powder for 6.5 PRC with 20'' barrel? _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']); I also loaded some 95 smks with H4831sc and H1000. These were all 6.5 Creedmoor match-grade ammo but the bullet weights ranged from 120 to 147 grains - so the . The Timney Trigger was adjusted to break at a crisp 1.53 pounds. Keep in mind these results are only for this particular load. After the rifle was completed, Hegstrom requested ammunition to verify feeding and overall function. My stock should be in next week then i'll give them a go and i can let you know. In addition to producing some of the lightest AR10s in the world, F4 Defense is the only company in the gas gun industry that has a SUB-1/2MOA accuracy guarantee. Increasing charge weight and velocity doubled that group size. The Remington Golden Bullet 36 gr has less drag than the CCI Stinger Ammo. LEARN MORE about the 22 Creedmoor The 22 Creedmoor is basically a factory-developed wildcat round by Hornady. Because of the velocity, lightweight bullets tend to lose their jackets when sent down the pipe of a 22 Creedmoor, and the rifle seems to take a liking to heavier pills. It has been reported that when standard lead-core, copper-jacketed bullets are used in the .22 Creedmoor, should the bullets be pushed at too fast a velocity, they might disintegrate in the air before they reach the target. Hot-rod cartridges like a 22-250 or 22 Creedmoor that are pushing a lot of powder down a smaller caliber bore will likely also erode measurably faster. Pet Loads and Handloader are registered trademarks of Wolfe Publishing Company. Overall, none gave me the accuracy, velocity and lower pressures I was looking for. As built by LRI,Long Rifles, Inc.out of Sturgis, S.D., the rifle is a turn-bolt tack driver set up very much like most upper grade long range rifles we see as custom-built field tools.
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